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Post by ghost on Jan 18, 2016 11:26:12 GMT -5
Is Philosophy dying in this new world that we have created for our species? I believe it isnt being able to keep up with the other fields.
If anyone or anything behaves or thinks differently. You're just outcasted because you dont fit in the norm. Any thoughts to this? Please share your opinions.
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Post by Shikibu Murasaki on Jan 18, 2016 11:52:01 GMT -5
Philosophy can't really die because the moment you express any belief based on reason or emotion, you are expressing the result of philosophy. That is the beauty of philosophy. It is also what makes it annoying to discuss, because it seems like the only intellectual pursuit that all people do automatically.
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Jan 18, 2016 12:52:05 GMT -5
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Post by ghost on Jan 18, 2016 12:52:05 GMT -5
Philosophy can't really die because the moment you express any belief based on reason or emotion, you are expressing the result of philosophy. That is the beauty of philosophy. It is also what makes it annoying to discuss, because it seems like the only intellectual pursuit that all people do automatically. Right, I agree with you. It wont just flat out die. But it isnt as what it use to be. It is more of debating now. I said "dying" because it isnt something that people think about anymore. It is almost frowned upon. Someone would rather state something about gossip, than say, "Oh. I am just pondering about life." It just doesnt really happen anymore. Sharing thoughts and giving feedback isnt of this generation. Only the intelligent notice philosophy, the rest find it "boring" or that one person tries "too hard"
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Post by Shikibu Murasaki on Jan 18, 2016 22:08:23 GMT -5
I am curious, what kind of philosophy are you interested in?
I would say that Philosophy is still very much something that most people do internally, and do not necessarily think about. I wouldn't say that philosophy is "dead" the amount of information that is available to any given person is so staggering that it is easy for anyone with a real interest to find info. The negative side to that of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which seems to be very common on the internet. I once had to suffer through a woman's misrepresentation of Nietzschean philosophy as "Nihilistic" in nature.
I find that the worst part of talking about philosophy is more a sense of complacency, even smug self-idolization borne almost entirely out of ignorance. I think that most people do not know how to say "I don't know, but I can find out."
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Post by ghost on Jan 20, 2016 9:49:38 GMT -5
I am curious, what kind of philosophy are you interested in? I would say that Philosophy is still very much something that most people do internally, and do not necessarily think about. I wouldn't say that philosophy is "dead" the amount of information that is available to any given person is so staggering that it is easy for anyone with a real interest to find info. The negative side to that of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which seems to be very common on the internet. I once had to suffer through a woman's misrepresentation of Nietzschean philosophy as "Nihilistic" in nature. I find that the worst part of talking about philosophy is more a sense of complacency, even smug self-idolization borne almost entirely out of ignorance. I think that most people do not know how to say "I don't know, but I can find out." I agree with you about the Dunning-Kruger effect, many individuals seem to go through. But for my self, I already understood that at a young age, I don't know everything. I would rather admit to my unknowing, than to attempt lie to myself or to another. I'm smart enough to know that I know nothing at all; so therefore I can find out. Also, you're right. The amount of information oneself can find is a bit staggering on Philosophy (Internet is OP) I actually seem to like all Philosophy, metaphysics, ethics, and epistemology. Or to perhaps to put it into better terms, Theoretical and Practical Philosophy. I could really keep going in any of these, once I start. It is a bit difficult to stop my tongue, but my mind will keep on winding. On a side note: I actually had to do a bit of "Googling" for this post!
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Post by sara on Jan 23, 2016 14:05:55 GMT -5
First of all, I know very little to nothing about philosophy(by which i mean absolute basics)
Philosophy is dying. I don't think so. I think philosophy went through similar process to modern classical. They started out with something which can be found in nature( like early early music before notation was invented). Well, things grew. And grew. And grew. And we're in present day, present day. Philosophy is similarly to modern classical now. Very complicated and difficult to grasp for newcomers.(musical example. How many composers from 20th century do you know? Aside from big names like Cage, Webern, Schoenberg and, let's say, Penderecki?). No wonder philosophy is "dying" in our world.
Outcast because not fit into a norm. First of all. an introduction, because you can't talk about value systems without introductions. I was born in small village deep in a slavic country. My parents had ain't no hippie bullshit, ain't no internet. This was a communist country after all. Dad was a very girly and sensitive guy(people actually mistaken him for a girl), while mom was more like NEET, manly(but not tomboy manly, more like "I do what I do, don't fuck with me") proto-feminist(looking at it from now, she was third-wave-abolish-gender type since the '80). They fell for each other. People were talking(Priest was angry cause "how is it possible to have a child and not be married", mind you. This was small town). Okay, introduction over. My opinion can be a bit flawed, cause I never had norms to begin with. You are not an outcast, you think you are an outcast and act accordingly. Second thing. People don't want to know all of the truth about you(to prove it. Try coming out to a friend who is homophobic, even if he liked you before, he'll hate you). Small bits are fine. Just not too much(besides what would you want to know about a person. "Hello I am Jessie. I like baseball" or "Hello I am Jessie. I like baseball and I was born without genitals")
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Post by boku on Jan 23, 2016 16:49:59 GMT -5
That feeling when you join a philosophy class and people are talking about the soul, the afterlife and God.
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Post by murasakishikibu on Jan 23, 2016 21:56:22 GMT -5
Is Philosophy dying in this new world that we have created for our species? I believe it isnt being able to keep up with the other fields. If anyone or anything behaves or thinks differently. You're just outcasted because you dont fit in the norm. Any thoughts to this? Please share your opinions. About outcasts, I am interested in how people relate to and create meaning, so this is an idea that I have thought about a lot. Societies tend to create roles for people in order to create a "way of life."We use symbols (how we dress/talk/etc.) in order to express both individual and group identity. I think an interesting part of this is the idea of acceptable difference. You are given certain ways to be different, but only within the parameters that is acceptable to be different. Like how we are beginning to accept the idea of feminine men, but only in the context of them being homosexual. It is basic examination, but I am not versed in philosophy enough, in my opinion, to speak deeper on the subject.
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Post by Pos on Jan 24, 2016 14:04:59 GMT -5
Philosophy can't really die because the moment you express any belief based on reason or emotion, you are expressing the result of philosophy. That is the beauty of philosophy. It is also what makes it annoying to discuss, because it seems like the only intellectual pursuit that all people do automatically. I agree with this person.. Also I'm a nihilistic existenialist? Or just an existentialist? I'm not sure which one.. Basically I believe life has no inherent meaning and it's what you make it, your time is limited on earth so just make the best of the time you've still got left on earth, which sounds really cheesy but yeah..
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Post by ghost on Jan 24, 2016 19:49:37 GMT -5
yay, new posts! Alright, I'll respond to each one. But this will take a bit on my end. Because I am using my cell.
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Post by ghost on Jan 24, 2016 20:14:55 GMT -5
That feeling when you join a philosophy class and people are talking about the soul, the afterlife and God. Very cool, I would like to take that class.
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Jan 24, 2016 20:32:47 GMT -5
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Post by ghost on Jan 24, 2016 20:32:47 GMT -5
Is Philosophy dying in this new world that we have created for our species? I believe it isnt being able to keep up with the other fields. If anyone or anything behaves or thinks differently. You're just outcasted because you dont fit in the norm. Any thoughts to this? Please share your opinions. About outcasts, I am interested in how people relate to and create meaning, so this is an idea that I have thought about a lot. Societies tend to create roles for people in order to create a "way of life."We use symbols (how we dress/talk/etc.) in order to express both individual and group identity. I think an interesting part of this is the idea of acceptable difference. You are given certain ways to be different, but only within the parameters that is acceptable to be different. Like how we are beginning to accept the idea of feminine men, but only in the context of them being homosexual. It is basic examination, but I am not versed in philosophy enough, in my opinion, to speak deeper on the subject. "You are given certain ways to be different, but only within the parameters that is acceptable to be different. Like how we are beginning to accept the idea of feminine men, but only in the context of them being homosexual." I really like how you pointed this out. Only within the parameters that is acceptable to be differnt. It is shame, because we can be better than this. Diversity is huge and very important. But it is like we have (re)teach the general population that being different is OK. There is change happening, but it is as if it is throttled in some form. Which for me, I highly dislike it. Education is power and knowledge sets us free.
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Post by boku on Feb 6, 2016 4:55:31 GMT -5
That feeling when you join a philosophy class and people are talking about the soul, the afterlife and God. Very cool, I would like to take that class. Take it to the religion classes you uneducated cretin.
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Post by pyrr on Feb 8, 2016 8:15:23 GMT -5
Philosophy is as relevant today as ever, as social environments change and needs and values are affected and developed, from strains in European and general Western society from second and third generation multiculturalism, social balkanism growing out of those, the re-emergence of nationalism upon the political scene, and the general skewing of the what had become the new norm of the neo-conservative right/neo-liberal left duality upon additional axis, and significant polarisation over the values and culture we want in our lives.
As a discrete subject, it has never captivated any more than an academic interest, and not a public one, and even during the hey-day of the ideological world in the Cold War, it was still more a department of political intent, really.
And on the subject of outcasts, it's worse to fear being cut from the cloth and alter yourself - you've put proof to the word that you don't truly support the things you believe in and that they're not worth backing. Being able to weather the storm of isolation is a test of strength in whether your beliefs and values are strong enough to uphold. That and well, any one should expect resistance to their beliefs and values - it's not like the world really is full of people who think just about the same thing; I'm pretty sure I cut against the grain in /gfd/ and /rr/ by being a staunch traditionalist and strong cultural nationalist, and those sorts of views seem to end in unwarranted public lynchings.
There's always a place to go, even if you don't know where it is.
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Post by boku on Mar 5, 2016 9:03:54 GMT -5
Philosophy is meta-knowledge. Also logic and how to do a proper debate or discussion.
Everyone should study philosophy.
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